Tuesday, January 18, 2022

Minutes from 12/15/21 Meeting

  HiCap Parents Council Meeting

via Zoom
December 15, 2021
11:00am-9:00 pm



  • No reading/discussion today; if you have a reading suggestion, contact Austina

  • Amity updates

    • Makeups will happen in January

    • Invited to test 

      • 1,300 K

      • 1,500 1st

        • ~490 got 95th plus percentile

        • ~662 passed 0 screeners (including iReady)

        • 690 invited to test

          • 434 tested in Math

          • 398 tested in reading

          • These numbers should be the same since all 1st graders take both sections, but kids miss for various reasons and will be caught up in January

      • 400 2nd (includes referrals and new to the district)

      • 500 3rd

      • 400 4th

      • 1,200 5th

      • 350 6th grade

        • Fairly high number of students testing in 6th and 7th grades

    • Some kids missed the NNAT3, so will have to test those

    • Will pull NVP students in in January either by bringing them in for the test or back at their home schools if they return to in-person learning

    • Amity and Elizabeth hosted an evening for early qualifiers

      • Approximately 100 families attended

      • Some parents want a firm answer on where students will attend, but Amity doesn’t have sole control of the situation. Advise these parents to say yes now and back out if the schools don’t work for them

    • Austina has a sense that people are moving to the district for EAP and asked how many new to district students there were this year and how it compared to the past

      • This is a tricky question to answer directly as all K students are new to the district and some 1st graders may be as well due to skipping virtual kindergarten during the pandemic

      • Angie gave answers to this a few minutes later:

        • 3,470 students were new to the district in 2019-’20

        • 2,758 new students in 2020-’21 

        • 3,013 new students in 2021-’22

        • About 1,500 in kindergarten for each year

  • Council questions

    • No High School updates

      • Steven opened eyes to what the district can do as far as making a better, more searchable course catalog, but they probably need to do something through their own systems, and this is probably best worked on through Angie

      • Amity, Obi, and Angie need to meet regarding the infrastructure

        • Steven offered to attend this meeting if it is helpful

        • Some of the course registration data is in a database and some isn’t; they need to figure out those details as well

      • Myriam wants us to not get distracted from the core issue of more useful descriptions and equivalent rigor between the comprehensive high schools

        • These are more difficult issues to attack but at least it is a place to start

        • Maybe the database combination brings it together?

    • Question about stopping iReady for AAP

      • Amity hasn’t had a chance to discuss this yet

      • Amity has no need for the diagnostic at this level (or for programs beyond hicap)

    • Question about students being tested without parents’ permission

      • A few kids will accidentally be tested

        • Amity apologizes to parents if it happens

        • A lot of attention is paid to this

        • Mistakes happened mostly in middle schools where 150 students come in at once and proctors are working hard to get everyone signed in and testing so the 30-minute test can be completed in the allotted 45 minute testing session

    • Question about dual taught classes: more information is needed

    • Why is there no accelerated math before 4th grade?

      • Some schools have figured out how to accelerate math for younger students within their own building (this doesn’t need Amity’s oversight)

      • We focused on 4th and 5th grade because if there is no EAP in the building NO ONE is teaching 6th/7th grade math there

      • Hillarie says she’s heard this complaint from non-qualifiers and wondered if this is perhaps a curriculum problem; not challenging kids leads to behavior problems

      • Sunrise used to have walk to math but they don’t now in the pandemic

      • Karishma suggests sharing the best practices of what is working in s some schools

      • There is a feeling from parents of single-subject qualifiers of, “Why test my kid if you offer them nothing?”

      • There are also parents asking for walk to reading as well

      • Karen reports that at Kenmore clustered hicap and bright kids come together for math enrichment (and the same for reading), but it seems this solution is teacher dependent

    • Question about school next year for Hicap class at Kenmore Elementary

      • Hilliarie reported that the addition of a hicap class at Kenmore has gone well, but parents are worried about what will happen for school next year

      • It seems that the school/teacher aren’t comfortable telling the families that they will stay next year

      • Amity said that the expectation of schools outside of the prior feeder pattern that wanted to add classes was that they were required to see those students through the rest of their elementary years

        • Amity isn’t fond of 3rd/4th grade splits but they can do that if necessary

        • Amity cannot promise that the program at Kenmore will grow

        • There was a request that teachers and families be officially told that they will remain at Kenmore next year and Amity said they already have been told this

    • More on testing

      • Amity will NOT test elementary students during the first week back from break (many simply haven’t come back yet) but may try for middle schools if students are back

      • Karen wanted to know if, to grow the program, you can add kids who didn’t qualify on the test but could handle the material

        •  Answer is no

        • Also, no pencils are involved in testing so that gets rid of a lot of dysgraphia concerns

    • Amity, Angie, and Nancy leave the meeting

  • Council updates

    • Treasury update with Lauren

      • We currently have $1,677.13

      • We do get some donations and some Amazon Smile donations

      • We don’t feel the need for a major fundraiser

      • We are renewed (not-for-profit paperwork) with the state

    • Update on council conferred Teacher awards?

      • Imen, who volunteered to lead, was not in attendance

      • We probably need to start the nomination process by February

      • Terri Kashi is willing to reach out and work with Imen on this

      • We asked for them to report back to the council

    • Update on priorities

      • High school updates with Myriam

        • Have met and Amity is meeting with Obi

        • Not sure much will change for registration this year as the process starts in February

        • Myriam will touch base with Amity at the end of the week

        • Conversation about AP classes and how much info they are covering and whether students would be able to get a ⅘ based on what was taught in class

        • Want to look at score data at different comprehensive high schools to see

        • Content may not be challenging enough for all students

        • Laurie Ferraiolo, a former council member, is getting involved and sent an email to Juan and Amity about how AP test scores are used for credit by several colleges/universities

        • Not all (students/family/staff/teachers) understand that a 3 on the AP exam is NOT sufficient to get a student college credit for AP coursework

        • Teacher grades have nothing to do with whether or not a student receives college credit; credit given is determined solely on performance on AP exam

        • It is a problem that teachers aren’t aiming to help kids get a 5

        • Schools have records of AP scores (also the College Board and OSPI)

        • Historically, arguing on principle has not been effected, so we need to try arguing based on data, which principals should already have

      • Science & Social Studies Curriculum with Hillarie

        • Karen volunteered to help

        • Group hasn’t set up a meeting yet

        • Guessing that Terra was the one who said she had information for Hillarie on this topic

      • Writing Curriculum with Terra: no update; Terra not in attendance

      • Professional Development (PD) with Audrey

        • A few people involved will look at PD in schools, district, and state

        • On Dec. 14th, Audrey got an email regarding a bill in the state legislature that didn’t make it to the governor; learned that the new version of the bill removed the PD piece

        • Austina said that in the past they had thought to require PD in teachers’ colleges but that part needed more work and had to be removed from the piece of legislation

        • Bill includes a mandate for universal screening at or before 2nd grade and at or before 6th grade 

          • Amity helped with this by providing financial data showing that universal screening is 50% cheaper than referral with out of school testing

          • Saturday is an overtime day and testing everyone at once requires a ton of proctors

          • Universal screening also attempts to catch ELL, free/reduce lunch,  and twice-exceptional students (who might not receive a referral)

        • Austina said the bill was aiming for items that don’t require money since the financial committees don’t want to allocate money for hicap and because they have not managed to get any hicap related bills to pass in the last 4 years

        • Audrey was going to reach out to School Board Member Amy Cast

        • We know that all teachers need PD

        • Steven stated that he has a client in Bellevue, Bureau of Education and Research (ber.org), who runs continuing education classes for the country and opined that perhaps we could create a course for them to offer

        • Austina shared that there are statewide free PD classes for hicap already and that the people who need the training don’t volunteer to use clock hours on this topic

        • Discussed that we might be at the point where ALL teachers need an hour of training on the topic of highly capable students/education (with Dr. Reid’s support)

        • Voice a hope that teachers who teach hicap students are required to show up

          • Given the current student mental health concerns, the district is providing mental health training

          • Perhaps we could pair hicap to this effort by discussing concerns over these students’ emotional health

          • Can tie to lockdown anger as a request for change, but this approach is tricky because you don’t want to paint HC students as a threat or all suffering from mental health issues

      • Liz is working on getting more challenging books for the Hollywood Hill library

Wednesday, December 15, 2021

Minutes from 11/23/21 Meeting

 HiCap Parents Council Meeting

via Zoom
November 23, 2021
7:00-9:00 pm

Member updates; goal is a list of items to add to agenda for future meetings
  • Lyn @ Canyon Park MS
    • Curious about iReady from a district standpoint
    • In ELA, it seems different teachers are requiring an hour of iReady (alternating between English and Social Studies)
    • Students who are ahead get the same stories and questions over and over again
    • Timbercrest parents also think it is a waste of time or that iReady gives work that is too easy if a student makes a careless mistake
    • KMS principal says iReady doesn’t capture 8th graders’ skills, but they are using it for assessment
    • Seems iReady is only liked by parents who value drills or kids who get limited screen time/video game access
    • Amity may need iReady
      • This probably has less value for an identified kid
      • Amity’s use is more in regards to the periodic assessment of skills not the weekly drills
  • Steven @ Inglemoor HS
    • Regarding the HS course registration search interface he made, Steven would like feedback of changes others would like to see and if they (Obediah/District) want to us it 
    • It would be a short turnaround for Steven if they want it
    • Austina suggested that it might be best to work this out with Angie Hancock who also works in the district’s tech department
    • Terra reports that Northshore Family Partnership (NFP) is using School Data Systems for their course offerings which include syllabi and registration and that the district has already purchased this 
  • Carson @ Canyon Creek ES
    • There is interest in seeing HiCap items in the PTA newsletter
    • Working on getting Amity to speak at a PTA meeting (currently slated for January, but might get bumped by people talking about the bond)
    • Carson is doing proctoring and enjoying seeing how this part of the work is accomplished
    • There was a new issue mentioned on Facebook group this evening about middle school students being tested without their parents’ permission, should probably research this more and add to agenda for next meeting with Amity
  • Stephanie @ BHS Feeder Pattern
    • Introduced herself on all of her PTA pages
    • Talked to families in her schools about opting into testing
    • Notes that there was an incident where one kid came late and was set up but maybe they didn’t have permission
  • Terri @ Timbercrest MS
    • Nothing to report beyond the testing thread that Carson mentioned
    • Austina talked to a Timbercrest family who reported not getting AAP classes in all subjects, but this student was in NVP and this is a known problem (there seems to be no difference between challenge and AAP courses)
  • Terra @ Alternative Learning Programs (ALE - sorry I couldn’t figure out exactly what this translated to)
    • A lot of these programs don’t have PTA’s; it might be nice if other more established PTA’s helped them
    • NFP is growing into a high school
    • NFP population facts
      • 25% from out of district
      • ~80-905 are HiCap
      • Becoming sort of a HiCap center for homeschooling kids
    • Working to add curricula to better support students in all schools
  • Darpana @ NCHS Feeder Pattern
    • Nothing to report
    • Agrees that iReady isn’t challenging to most, but might still be valuable for data collection for those not yet identified
  • Veronica @ Moorlands ES
    • Hears mostly from parents looking to decide about taking an EAP spot
    • Her kids are leaving Northshore Virtual Program (NVP) effecitive Jan. 3rd, but she has been volunteering in person on campus this fall
  • Megan @ Northshore Virtual Program (NVP)
    • Needs to talk to administrators to see if they will be adapting the program more for HiCap kids
    • She didn’t understand that AP (World History) was a college level course, not just a HiCap Class
      • Mistake/not known for several NVP kids
      • Course catalog didn’t explain this
      • Suggestion that it might be worthwhile to write an NVP HS registration document like the other high schools have
      • Megan reported that she was in a meeting with Dr. Reid and heard that NVP would NOT be an option next year
    • Hoping to share the graphic info that we were commenting on/revising
      • Austina said we are waiting to see if the district will adopt and distribute this information or if HiCap Parents Council will own it
      • Amity said she shared the graphics with some teachers, but we are not sure how many
  • Anita @ Fernwood ES
    • Anita asked if there is a difference between NVP curriculum and in-person curriculum in reference to her 3rd grader
    • She said NVP may not be challenging: math is fine, but not English, Social Studies, or Science
    • Noted that Social Studies and Science are still taught on grade level in EAP classes (though teachers might enrich the material as they find appropriate for their classes)
    • Curriculum for NVP is different but may be lacking pace/rigor of in-person
    • Veronica shared that the teacher sets the pace for Edgenuity at the 3rd grade level
    • Edgenuity math is much harder
    • Anita would need to talk to the teacher as they are driving the curriculum
    • Also noted that curriculum in NVP might not be taught in the same order as in-person
  • Karen @ Kenmore ES
    • Teacher thinks their class is going well
    • Mostly parents want to to know what will happen to kids for 4th/5th grade as the school only has a 3rd/4th split class
    • Shared that Amity told us that schools that opted to keep their HiCap kids rather than send them to their middle school feeder EAP program committed to seeing those students through the rest of their elementary careers and that this could be shared with the parents
  • Chu @ Northshore MS
    • iReady: his kid hates it
    • HiCap test for single subject qualifiers seems oka
  • Ruthe @ Leota MS
    • Asked for concerns on Whatsapp
    • 6th grader did little writing last year, but is doing more this year
  • Stephanie regarding Bothell HS (since Myriam not in attendance)
    • AP curriculum stuff: student was told that they would NOT complete all of the material covered by the test and students would need to study that material on their own (this is not reported at other comprehensive HS’s; students there cover enough in class to get a 5 with minimal additional studying outside of class)
    • AP Physics teacher 
      • Told students that they could get a 3 or 4 via their instruction and that they would need to work on their own to get a 5
      • This teacher has now committed to setting up extra study sessions outside of class
    • Juan says that BHS’s AP score average is a 3; seems satisfied with that
      • This is the reason we’re pushing so hard on the course catalog
      • This is somewhat teacher dependent (not all BHS teachers say this)
    • Could we encourage change by encouraging competitiveness between the comprehensive high schools, like they have for sports?
    • Question: Does Innovation Lab HS (ILHS) have APs? Answer: ILHS has no AP’s, but kids are welcome to take the tests.
    • Accepting late work seems to slow everything down
      • Late work policies differ
      • BHS policy is causing work to slow down and not really hearing the same late work standard articulated at other schools
      • Sees to have teacher specific policies at other schools
      • Flexible late policies are good for some kids, but not good if it stops all progress
      • Juan says this is at the level of the school board ← This seemed wrong to the Council
      • May be part of the bargained contract (e.g. missing assignments cannot be scored below a 50%)
      • Juan has said in the past “it’s a district rule” and does nothing further
      • Sounds like the Council is going to need to record and submit all of these stories to get progress
      • Dave Wellington is the Regional Area Superintendent (RAS) for BHS
    • Imen @ Kenmore MS
      • Had a meeting with the principal to ask how they differentiate the work
      • Panel discussion where high school students came and talked about their experiences last year
      • Concern about needing to find a person to take over her council position: it is NOT the rep’s job to find their replacement
    • Carson regarding Skyview MS
      • Still a question about the jointly taught English and History classes at SMS